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		<title>Comment on Artist(s) of the Week: Peter Lenzo and Michel Bayne by Dominic Lenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic Lenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, Peter was just sitting down with me, explaining all his pieces.
He&#039;s my uncle, and we&#039;re at my grandparents house in Detroit.
We looked through 4 pages of google, and these are the 
best photos of his more intricate faces. He was telling me the one 
with the forks in the side is 1.5 xs the size of a face. So in total
with the handle it stands like 2 feet tall. HUUUUGGGEE. 
He said he wishes he could pay what he sold it for, and get it back.
Man even now he&#039;s churning out 5 face jugs every 2 weeks and 
investing up to like 10,000 bucks into the trinkets on top. recently paid 6,000 to this guy in Germany to get the awesome dolls.
So man please find some more pictures of his pieces and put them 
on your blog. 
Great write up man.
Nephe, Dom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, Peter was just sitting down with me, explaining all his pieces.<br />
He&#8217;s my uncle, and we&#8217;re at my grandparents house in Detroit.<br />
We looked through 4 pages of google, and these are the<br />
best photos of his more intricate faces. He was telling me the one<br />
with the forks in the side is 1.5 xs the size of a face. So in total<br />
with the handle it stands like 2 feet tall. HUUUUGGGEE.<br />
He said he wishes he could pay what he sold it for, and get it back.<br />
Man even now he&#8217;s churning out 5 face jugs every 2 weeks and<br />
investing up to like 10,000 bucks into the trinkets on top. recently paid 6,000 to this guy in Germany to get the awesome dolls.<br />
So man please find some more pictures of his pieces and put them<br />
on your blog.<br />
Great write up man.<br />
Nephe, Dom</p>
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		<title>Comment on Matter Matters, a nice article from Christianity Today by pcNielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcNielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw Joel&#039;s work at JBU last year and liked it. Wish the church we were at down there had such a vision though. They have an artistic vision, just that it&#039;s strapped in by conservatism, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw Joel&#8217;s work at JBU last year and liked it. Wish the church we were at down there had such a vision though. They have an artistic vision, just that it&#8217;s strapped in by conservatism, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Matter Matters, a nice article from Christianity Today by Mo-Coffee</title>
		<link>http://djph.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/matter-matters-a-nice-article-from-christianity-today/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo-Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, pcN, for your input- and congrats on your recent move. As a young Christian I also struggled with the idea that art was a &quot;worldly&quot; pursuit. I think it&#039;s natural for youth group biblical teachings overemphasize the spiritual at the expense of the material, as there is so much fear that the material is dominating young adult life (I&#039;m not saying these fears are unjustified, mind you).

And I totally agree about the architecture. It is certainly possible to have a vibrant, spiritual community in any structure, but that doesn&#039;t mean that our worship space is unimportant, or should be &quot;cheap.&quot; Our little church in Wheaton, AllSouls, is in a little, unispiring &quot;Baptist box,&quot; (all we can afford in the crazy real estate market here) but our community, under our pastor&#039;s leadership, has done a lot to transform that space, by carefully designing the space to integrate with worship, and through art (we have a 4&#039; wide crown of thorns that hovers over the altar, stations of the cross, and a contemporary painting by my friend Joel Sheesley in the narthex).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, pcN, for your input- and congrats on your recent move. As a young Christian I also struggled with the idea that art was a &#8220;worldly&#8221; pursuit. I think it&#8217;s natural for youth group biblical teachings overemphasize the spiritual at the expense of the material, as there is so much fear that the material is dominating young adult life (I&#8217;m not saying these fears are unjustified, mind you).</p>
<p>And I totally agree about the architecture. It is certainly possible to have a vibrant, spiritual community in any structure, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that our worship space is unimportant, or should be &#8220;cheap.&#8221; Our little church in Wheaton, AllSouls, is in a little, unispiring &#8220;Baptist box,&#8221; (all we can afford in the crazy real estate market here) but our community, under our pastor&#8217;s leadership, has done a lot to transform that space, by carefully designing the space to integrate with worship, and through art (we have a 4&#8242; wide crown of thorns that hovers over the altar, stations of the cross, and a contemporary painting by my friend Joel Sheesley in the narthex).</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Books I&#8217;ve Been Reading Lately&#8230;and where they are leading me by Doug McAbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug McAbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;ll elaborate a bit on what you got from Miller&#039;s book.  I enjoy his different take on Christian faith and have passed &quot;Jazz&quot; along to several students in the past.  You may know this, but his website offers some audio and video files for sale of lectures he&#039;s given on several topics.  There&#039;s one about art and beauty that&#039;s pretty good.
I just finished Dave Hickey&#039;s new version of &quot;The Invisible Dragon&quot; where he discusses the role of beauty in contemporary art.  In the end, I think I disagree with him a good bit, but he makes some great points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;ll elaborate a bit on what you got from Miller&#8217;s book.  I enjoy his different take on Christian faith and have passed &#8220;Jazz&#8221; along to several students in the past.  You may know this, but his website offers some audio and video files for sale of lectures he&#8217;s given on several topics.  There&#8217;s one about art and beauty that&#8217;s pretty good.<br />
I just finished Dave Hickey&#8217;s new version of &#8220;The Invisible Dragon&#8221; where he discusses the role of beauty in contemporary art.  In the end, I think I disagree with him a good bit, but he makes some great points.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Matter Matters, a nice article from Christianity Today by pcNielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcNielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thumbs up for this post.

I realized on my own, introvert that I used to be, the seeming contradiction between spirituality and the incarnation (though I wouldn&#039;t have used the word incarnation at the time) in high school as I struggled to decide on a major. Architecture was a very worldly pursuit it seemed. Maybe I should just work in youth ministry or at a Bible camp. 

And even though we&#039;re not shy to hire an architect to design our Christian places of assembly, we don&#039;t do those spaces justice (either the architects or the building committees) when we create cheap, ugly, unenduring buildings that look like the mutant child of a warehouse and an office building.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thumbs up for this post.</p>
<p>I realized on my own, introvert that I used to be, the seeming contradiction between spirituality and the incarnation (though I wouldn&#8217;t have used the word incarnation at the time) in high school as I struggled to decide on a major. Architecture was a very worldly pursuit it seemed. Maybe I should just work in youth ministry or at a Bible camp. </p>
<p>And even though we&#8217;re not shy to hire an architect to design our Christian places of assembly, we don&#8217;t do those spaces justice (either the architects or the building committees) when we create cheap, ugly, unenduring buildings that look like the mutant child of a warehouse and an office building.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Abstraction in Character by Size Matters at Packer Schopf &#171; Conscious, and Occasionally Organized, Ramblings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Size Matters at Packer Schopf &#171; Conscious, and Occasionally Organized, Ramblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Size Matters at Packer&#160;Schopf  Posted on July 22, 2009 by Mo-Coffee   I have a piece in a group show at Packer-Schopf gallery in Chicago. Pictures of the show are available at Packer-Schopf&#8217;s web site here. Here&#8217;s a detail of the full piece, Tumblestack V. You may have noticed this looks familiar. The idea behind the &#8220;tumblestack&#8221; piece is that it grows and morphs every time it shows, as it has to adjust to the space and I also add more parts. An earlier version, incorrectly labelled (it should read Tumblestack III) is in an earlier post here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Size Matters at Packer&nbsp;Schopf  Posted on July 22, 2009 by Mo-Coffee   I have a piece in a group show at Packer-Schopf gallery in Chicago. Pictures of the show are available at Packer-Schopf&#8217;s web site here. Here&#8217;s a detail of the full piece, Tumblestack V. You may have noticed this looks familiar. The idea behind the &#8220;tumblestack&#8221; piece is that it grows and morphs every time it shows, as it has to adjust to the space and I also add more parts. An earlier version, incorrectly labelled (it should read Tumblestack III) is in an earlier post here. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on a Standard Posture by A Few Books I&#8217;ve Been Reading Lately&#8230;and where they are leading me &#171; Conscious, and Occasionally Organized, Ramblings</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Few Books I&#8217;ve Been Reading Lately&#8230;and where they are leading me &#171; Conscious, and Occasionally Organized, Ramblings</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Long Time No Write by Andrew Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply to the reply - yeah, over the years, I&#039;ve realized that dichotomy is fully ensconced with life, and it can seem paralyzing to a rational, thoughtful person.  I think questions are always valuable that inspire mindfulness.  What is valid?  The vacuous chatter that makes the headlines?  Curiosity validates all questions - at any level of education.  The most brilliant people don&#039;t get there without asking questions (even if internally).  

I find it hard to decide what to believe when I know more than a few sides to many issues!  Of course, some ideas are just plain creepy and I can easily, but mindfully, dismiss themt.  Art has done so many things throughout history, from simply documenting history, to subverting it, to communicating physical and psychological and spiritual features of a time, to expressing the angst (or lack thereof) of an era, to simply conveying a personal message, to pushing technology out of laboratories... Too often the artists intent is attacked by an irrelevant critic - religion attacking secular art (like the whole book banning era), or the attacks on publicly funded art, generally from religious angles.  

I think the dichotomy in art/faith is illustrated best by dualistic societies - usually the &#039;west&#039;. The segregation of the spiritual from our daily life is a bit bizarre as it creates the righteous entity that is religion and pits it against the quotidian, which includes art. We put aside Sunday to be absolved... well - some people do - and we pay and support churches to come across as good people, but during the week we&#039;re free to rob banks and cheat people... 

OK - my initial plan was to keep this short... but it&#039;s very difficult as I enjoy so much this thought process and conversation - or, maybe I am self absorbed and just like to see my own words!!  ?  Take it easy! 
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply to the reply &#8211; yeah, over the years, I&#8217;ve realized that dichotomy is fully ensconced with life, and it can seem paralyzing to a rational, thoughtful person.  I think questions are always valuable that inspire mindfulness.  What is valid?  The vacuous chatter that makes the headlines?  Curiosity validates all questions &#8211; at any level of education.  The most brilliant people don&#8217;t get there without asking questions (even if internally).  </p>
<p>I find it hard to decide what to believe when I know more than a few sides to many issues!  Of course, some ideas are just plain creepy and I can easily, but mindfully, dismiss themt.  Art has done so many things throughout history, from simply documenting history, to subverting it, to communicating physical and psychological and spiritual features of a time, to expressing the angst (or lack thereof) of an era, to simply conveying a personal message, to pushing technology out of laboratories&#8230; Too often the artists intent is attacked by an irrelevant critic &#8211; religion attacking secular art (like the whole book banning era), or the attacks on publicly funded art, generally from religious angles.  </p>
<p>I think the dichotomy in art/faith is illustrated best by dualistic societies &#8211; usually the &#8216;west&#8217;. The segregation of the spiritual from our daily life is a bit bizarre as it creates the righteous entity that is religion and pits it against the quotidian, which includes art. We put aside Sunday to be absolved&#8230; well &#8211; some people do &#8211; and we pay and support churches to come across as good people, but during the week we&#8217;re free to rob banks and cheat people&#8230; </p>
<p>OK &#8211; my initial plan was to keep this short&#8230; but it&#8217;s very difficult as I enjoy so much this thought process and conversation &#8211; or, maybe I am self absorbed and just like to see my own words!!  ?  Take it easy!<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Thoughts on a Standard Posture by Mo-Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo-Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Doug- aww, man, you just preempted my next post! I have been thinking along the very same lines. A big part of the theology of aesthetics that I can find revolves around the idea that beauty is a transcendental. I think this is true, but leads to certain problems in regards to 20th century art and beyond. I think these problems stem from two basic problems: 1) the definition of &quot;beauty&quot; and 2) the possibility that contemporary artists, while not pursuing beauty, might be pursuing some other transcendental (although they themselves might not consider art transcendental--but that&#039;s another topic all together). 

I also agree that transcendence can be achieved through an examination of our pain and anguish, or &quot;brokenness&quot; as I find it often referred to in theological circles. Image journal had an issue devoted to this last year (I think last year) that was pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Doug- aww, man, you just preempted my next post! I have been thinking along the very same lines. A big part of the theology of aesthetics that I can find revolves around the idea that beauty is a transcendental. I think this is true, but leads to certain problems in regards to 20th century art and beyond. I think these problems stem from two basic problems: 1) the definition of &#8220;beauty&#8221; and 2) the possibility that contemporary artists, while not pursuing beauty, might be pursuing some other transcendental (although they themselves might not consider art transcendental&#8211;but that&#8217;s another topic all together). </p>
<p>I also agree that transcendence can be achieved through an examination of our pain and anguish, or &#8220;brokenness&#8221; as I find it often referred to in theological circles. Image journal had an issue devoted to this last year (I think last year) that was pretty good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Long Time No Write by Mo-Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo-Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey AF- great to hear from you!  And thanks for your thoughts. As I look back I am not really sure about the questions I post here- mainly in that I&#039;m not sure they are valuable or even, at times valid. The ask of some of these questions creates certain dichotomies, and some of them may be false. 

One of those dichotomies you have pointed to (rightly) as physical (science) v metaphysical (shall we say, spiritual? religious?). This is certainly a dichotomy that it supported in Western culture--(I recognize the limitations of using such a sweeping term)--today, and probably tracks back to the Enlightenment, but I think it is a false dichotomy (another both/and statement, I suppose). Here I would agree with you that both sides are both &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong.&quot; I would like to think, as you do, that equilibrium will balance these sides. I think it would on its own, but I&#039;m concerned with our meddling (myself included).

I love this statement you made: &quot;Interestingly (to me) sometimes in art, imbalance (visual) is often more balanced than symmetry and it’s usual corresponding balance… that’s why ugliness can be so beautiful and beauty so ugly or tragic.&quot; Man, I think you hit that right on the head. Even in design theory, asymmetrical balance is generally held in higher regard than symmetrical balance. You need the tension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey AF- great to hear from you!  And thanks for your thoughts. As I look back I am not really sure about the questions I post here- mainly in that I&#8217;m not sure they are valuable or even, at times valid. The ask of some of these questions creates certain dichotomies, and some of them may be false. </p>
<p>One of those dichotomies you have pointed to (rightly) as physical (science) v metaphysical (shall we say, spiritual? religious?). This is certainly a dichotomy that it supported in Western culture&#8211;(I recognize the limitations of using such a sweeping term)&#8211;today, and probably tracks back to the Enlightenment, but I think it is a false dichotomy (another both/and statement, I suppose). Here I would agree with you that both sides are both &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong.&#8221; I would like to think, as you do, that equilibrium will balance these sides. I think it would on its own, but I&#8217;m concerned with our meddling (myself included).</p>
<p>I love this statement you made: &#8220;Interestingly (to me) sometimes in art, imbalance (visual) is often more balanced than symmetry and it’s usual corresponding balance… that’s why ugliness can be so beautiful and beauty so ugly or tragic.&#8221; Man, I think you hit that right on the head. Even in design theory, asymmetrical balance is generally held in higher regard than symmetrical balance. You need the tension.</p>
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